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Episode 28: Restaurants Part 1

Donielle and Khrystyna Episode 28

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Today we're discussing all things restaurant related: eating out, take out, cuisines, etc. But it turns out that this is a big topic, and since we love talking about food, we're calling this a part 1, and we'll continue our discussion next time! 
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Music: Wake Up to the Renaissance by AudioCoffee from Pixabay

D           Welcome to Coffee and Conversation for ESL Listening. I'm Donielle.

K            And I'm Khrystyna, so grab a cup and join the conversation.

D           Hey there, long time no see as always.

K            I know, we can't seem to… you know, life gets in the way and we always try to plan it to keep it a little more consistent and on a schedule and then things happen. So, 

D           You're a busy lady.

K            I know, but we're back here. It's all good.

D           It's all good and you know, we have a topic today and it feels like, you know, we haven't talked about food for like five minutes. So here we go. We've got sort of a food topic. Today we're going to talk about restaurants. 

K            Ooh, restaurants. Yeah, big, big part of American culture, I would say - restaurants.

D           Absolutely. Yeah, we’ve got a lot of them. Yeah, some better than others, but we'll get to that. Oh, before we get into anything here, I want to remind everybody that we've got show notes. I keep forgetting to talk about that at the beginning here. Click the link for the show notes. We'll have vocabulary, maybe other links to things that we're talking about. Cultural notes, who knows what else. And also I want to say that we have a transcript that we put together. Now, nowadays, I don't know if you noticed this, Khrystyna, but nowadays on your podcast platforms, they kind of do one automatically - automatically generated, but they're not that great. So I have done it manually. So I highlight the words that we're talking about, I fix up some mistakes, you know, because it's not perfect, those auto-generated things. Yeah.

K            Right. So when you said we have [a] transcript, it's actually you have [a] transcript because you put all the work into it.

D           No, you do not have time to be fooling around with this stuff. Believe me, I know. It’s quite all right. 

K            So I appreciate you doing all that.

D           No, hey, without you, we don't have a podcast, right? Yes, it's true, girl. 

K            Hey, it's fun. This is fun.

D           It is. So talking about fun, let's talk about food. 

K            Food is fun.

D           Yeah, so we're going to talk about restaurants. And of course, there are several types of restaurants. And so we're going to kind of break it down and talk about each one a little bit. Probably the most famous, most common, most... What is the word? That there's so many of them. I'm trying to not say ubiquitous because I know that's a hard word. What's another word for that? That they're everywhere.

K            Oh, that's a good question. They are everywhere. I agree. Yeah.

D           Yeah, fast food. Yes, fast food restaurants. So...

K            Yeah. And we probably want to give a little kind of a meaning to what the fast food is. It doesn't mean you, you know, fast food doesn't mean that you have to eat it fast necessarily. You don't want to choke on that stuff. But fast food, when you talk about fast food is something you can pick up quickly. It doesn't take long to cook. You don't have to necessarily sit down at the restaurant. You can't, but you don't have to. You can just pick it up and sometimes eat it while you’re walking, eat it quickly on the bench at the park, eat it in your car while you're driving. So it's something fast to eat, but it's also fast to cook, like prepare.

D           Exactly. You get in and out. Oh, there's even a fast food place called In-N-Out, now that I said that. And I think our culture is much more like: grab it fast, eat it, go. And I think that's not so common... And like, you know, other countries, do people eat in their cars the way we do?

K            No, I don't think so. And I feel like in a lot of cultures, the food, you know, there's a different meaning to food there in terms of food is not just to, you know, stuff your belly or eat quickly because you are hungry and need nutrition. And a lot of cultures, food is what.. like, this is how you pass time. This is how you sit with your family, you know, like it brings people together. You just sit and have food and conversation and…You know, so it's not, it's not one of those things where, well, I just need to eat because I'm hungry. I'm… you know, I feel like there's a different meaning to it. That's why I don't think fast food is as popular in other countries as it is here in the United States.

D           Hmm. Wow. Yeah. Well, you know, I was looking at something online. I actually have seen it a couple of times where they have like, oh, these fantastic products that, you know, will just make your life easier. And one of them is this thing that you put in your car. And I think you attach it… You're giving me a crazy look. I think you attach it to your air conditioning vent thing. And it's a little holder to put your McNugget sauce in so that you can be eating and dipping or your french fries or who knows what into your ketchup. Crazy, right?

K            That's crazy, I mean, that's not what cup holders are for.

D           I guess.

K            where the passengers eat. But it is crazy. I mean, but that's, yeah, that just tells you that people here eat in the car all the time. And you know, it's one of those things that I am not a big fan of eating in the car. And I don't like when my husband or my son eats in my car, mainly because they're messy. But you know.

D           Yeah, I just don't like it because it's not comfortable. I mean, even if I'm not.. and people drive and eat all the time, which is crazy. But like even if I'm just sitting in the passenger seat and I'm forced to eat something because whatever reason, it's not comfortable. I need access to my drink and my napkin and things aren't sitting properly on my lap. And you know what I mean?

K            Yeah, no, it's not not an ideal situation when you eat…

D           No, no. So how often would you say you go get fast food?

K            Oh, I would say maybe once a month.

D           Okay, that's good.

K            If that, and I, for myself, I would say about once a month, maybe for my son, maybe twice a month or so, you know, the kids, they like fast food, 

D           Yeah, they do.

K            but yeah, not very healthy, but I'm not a big fan of fast food. I usually, if I absolutely have to, like, especially, like on my lunch break, if I forgot to bring lunch or didn't have time to fix it in the morning and you know, I need a quick lunch because you don't usually get that much time. I'll go grab something from the fast food... But and when we travel, like if we're on the road going somewhere and you don't really have time to go into the restaurant and sit there and wait for the meal and all that usually we would grab some fast food on the way, but other than that, I don't… I don't eat it often. What about you?

D           Well, you know, I don't eat meat, so that's a problem. Which is actually better for me, I think, then I don't have any reason or desire to go for fast food. So I think it works out better.

K            But there's always fries.

D           Well, that's not exactly a meal and plus, I don't want to get too deep into the weeds on this here, but you know, a lot of those french fries are cooked in, you know, some kind of fat from beef and, you know, I don't really want any part of that. Yeah, I know you're making a face at me, but it's true. Yeah, so I tend to stay away from fast food. I just think it's a safer option.

K            Yeah. And I agree with you because I mean, there are days… I'm not vegetarian, but there are days where I fast and don't eat meat, like usually on Fridays. It's hard to find a good restaurant fast food place to grab something quick. I usually… my go-to on days when I don't eat meat is bagels. I love bagels. So I'll grab some bagels with some cream cheese, or schmear and I'm happy. That's my perfect lunch.

D           Yeah, I love bagels, especially good, fresh, delicious bagels. Really not so easy to find around here, but I do love a good bagel. I think I've said that before. So one thing I was going to say is like, okay, fast food, we know a lot of these famous restaurants, McDonald's or whatever, they're all over the world, you know, but the interesting thing is that they don't have the same menu items all over the world. So like the things that we're used to, you go to another country, could be completely different. And I'll ask you about your experience in a minute, because I'm sure Ukraine has something different than what we have here. But when I went to India, I thought, I've got to go to McDonald's there, because I am just dying to know what the...options are because you know there's gonna be no beef, there's gonna be no pork, and there's gonna be a lot of veggie options. And so I was like, oh, I gotta try this. So they've got this thing called the Maharaja Mac. And I was like, that's the famous thing there. I was like, I gotta try that, right? And I'm sorry to report it was very underwhelming. It was not impressive at all. So,

K           Right. What was it made of? Like what is it like a vegetarian burger or?

D           Yeah, it's just some kind of patty with spices and potatoes, I think, and vegetables. I don't even remember what it was, but it felt a little bland to me and kind of dry. Yeah, it just, it really, it was kind of a letdown. I was disappointed. I wanted it to be good, but no.

K            Oh that stinks. That's no fun. You know when I went to… it was a long time ago when I went to McDonald's in Ukraine, and honestly I did not notice the difference. 

D           Oh, okay.

K            It was kind of the same stuff, hamburgers or cheeseburgers, fries, soda, little ice cream things, but we have, the thing is that we have our own fast food kind of street food, fast food. So McDonald's is popular, but not that popular as it is here. And it's not as, you know, like here it's everywhere. Like I don't even know how many McDonald's restaurants we have here in town, but it's a lot, like a lot of them.

D           Huh. Really? I don't even remember. I mean, I don't really pay attention to those things, you know? So I can picture where one is right now, but I can't even remember where the rest of them are.

K            Oh yeah, we have tons of them, but they're only like in Kiev, there was only one. And then there's like, they're mainly in big cities. So there's not that many of them.

D           Right. Yeah, that's probably better.

K            Yeah, but you're right. I've read about it. I watched some television pieces that showed how McDonald's in different countries, how they adjust their menu. So it has like, you know, some sort of a food from that country, that culture to kind of make up for it. So that makes sense. I mean, it's a good marketing strategy.

D           Right. Absolutely, you have to adjust for the local tastes. Otherwise, you wouldn't do good business for sure. Well, so we're going to move on to a different kind of restaurant, casual dining, we're going to say. But before we do that, I thought we'd do something a little fun. We haven't done this in a while, but I remembered that people like this and we had fun with it. A little bit of trivia. 

K            Oh gosh, okay.

D           Yeah, a little bit of trivia. So, a couple things: any idea what is the oldest fast food restaurant chain in the US?

K            Ummm, It's not McDonald's. It's not McDonald's. What is it? Wendy's?

D           No, but it starts with a W. White Castle.

K            Yes, you're right oh my gosh you know what it's funny because we just talked about it and you know why we talked about it because we were coming back from Chicago. And my son said, “Well I'm hungry” and all that and he's, “oh, can we have McDonalds?” oh gosh no. So my husband had this brilliant idea to introduce our son to White Castle.

D           Mmmm.  Uh oh. 

K            My kid is ruined now 

D           I think so.

K            because he said that was the best thing he's ever had in his life. I'm like, you, you, you, yeah, no.

D           Poor kids, their tastes are just not developed yet.

K            Oh, terrible, terrible. So and I remember we had that conversation that my husband said, you know, they are the original, like they're the oldest fast food chain.

D           Okay. Did you know that because of Happy Meals, and so for those who don't know, I'm assuming they have Happy Meals everywhere, I don't know. But if you get a kid's meal at McDonald's, it's called a Happy Meal and it comes with I don't know what, I don't know what, but there's a little toy. Yeah, and like a little dessert or something. But because of Happy Meals, McDonald's is by far the largest toy distributor in the world. 

K            Oh my gosh, no way.

D           Isn't that crazy? 

K            Yes. 

D           Very crazy.

K            And those toys are not even good.

D           Well, they didn't say the largest good toy distributor, but you know.

K            Again, it's such a big marketing thing there because every time they do have toys, it's… has …it always has to do with some sort of a new movie that's coming out or a new game or, you know, it's, it's always, I think, like the movie industries or gaming industries have this contract or agreement with McDonald's that they will be… so that's how they do promotions. It makes sense.

D           Exactly. It works well for everybody. You know, everybody's making money off of it. So absolutely. Okay. So the last thing that I want to say for trivia here, I sent you an image and, um, before we talked…yea.

K            You want me to look it up?

D           Yes, I want you to look at it. Now, this is an image of logos from a whole bunch of fast food restaurants. And we'll link it in the show notes as well, so you can see. But I would just like you to tell me if you notice anything about that image. Don't think too hard about it, just what comes first to your mind.

K            Well, first in my mind comes the colors. 

D           Uh huh, what are they?    

K            It's red, yellow, and green.

D           Okay. But mostly red and yellow, right? Well, apparently, you know, there's so much psychology that goes into this kind of stuff, into marketing. And apparently, the most profitable colors when it comes to food is red and yellow. 

 K            Yeah? Really?

 D           And when I read, yeah, and I read that piece of trivia. So I go, well, I just Googled, you know, fast food logos and images came up.

 K            Sure enough.

 D           and had nothing to do with the colors. I didn't ask about that. I just said “fast food logos” and I got that thing and instantly you can see. Okay, there must be something to that.

 K            So red and yellow, but also green. I'm noticing a lot of them have green too. I wonder what that is.

 D           Yeah, I think the green might indicate like something is fresh. Like you'll see Subway has green in it. Yeah, so interesting, right? 

 K            Yeah, yeah. That's interesting.

 D           I had no idea about that. And I didn't even notice that those colors were so prevalent. Cool. All right. Okay, moving on to casual dining. So we're going to talk about just, you know, not your upscale - because I don't think we're going to have time to get to those - upscale and fancy restaurants, but just your everyday restaurants. Sometimes we'll call it a sit-down restaurant because you're not just grabbing fast food and going, you are sitting down and you're being served. It could be informal, maybe a little bit more, more… not fancy, but where they are serving you and you're leaving tips. And I don't think we're going to have time to talk about tips in this episode. But I think that's a really important topic that we've got to.

 K            I think we should have a whole new episode about just tips because there's so many different industries and places that deal with tips that it's interesting. And I think maybe our listeners would appreciate that because it does differ from culture to culture.

 D           And it's so complex. I mean, it's not just like, oh, leave a tip and that's it. I mean, I actually had to do a little research on this because I wanted to say the correct thing. I didn't want to say something crazy. And I was like, oh my gosh, we're never going to get to this because it's complex and it's weird. So we'll save tipping for another day. But anyway, so now how often would you say you go to a sit-down restaurant?

 K            You know, here's the funny thing. Ever since COVID, a lot of the times it's takeout rather than going and sitting down in the restaurant.

 D           Even now, huh? 

 K            Even now.

 D           Wow.

 K            I don't know, it's just easier. And I mean, every once in a while, I like to go to [a] restaurant and, you know, have [a] waiter and spend time there and all that. But I also really prefer to just [eat] at home. I don't always feel like cooking or have time, you know, to cook a meal and all that. So we would just take out but sit down at home at the, dining, kitchen table and eat together. But the last time I actually went out to a restaurant - sit down restaurant was a couple of weekends ago because we were traveling. We were in another city. So we went out and sat at the restaurant.

 D           Yes, can't really take out too well there if you're traveling.

 K            Yeah, they don't have utensils at the hotel. What about you?

 D           Yeah, that's really interesting. Well, you know, because I know a lot of people like to do that. And I actually do not like takeout. I don't like it. And the reason I don't is because there are certain things I want to be hot and fresh. And by the time they pack it up and I drive home and I get the plates out and now it's cold already. And I don't like that. So yeah, I like to eat it right there.

 K            That's a good point. Good point.

 D           Yeah. But what about a favorite ethnicity? Like if you're going to go out for something that's not American food and I don't think there's really a lot of Ukrainian restaurants over there. I think there's a shortage.

 K            Well, luckily I live close to Chicago, close enough to Chicago area and there are Ukrainian restaurants there. So when we travel almost every…almost every time we will go to a Ukrainian restaurant, um, I don't have [a] preferred cuisine. 

 D           That’s ok.

 K            I just love food 

 D           Fair enough.

 K            I love food and I like all different cuisines, different, you know, like different ethnic foods and I always, I like trying something new too. So, you know, when I lived in Ukraine, you don't have as much choice of different ethnic foods. I mean, we have some, but not as much as it is here. So I was like, Ooh, this is awesome. I get to try everything, but I do like.. pretty… I don't think I have met the food that I didn't like from ethnic cuisine.

 D           Now, you sent me to that Ukrainian restaurant when I was in Chicago and it was very good. Yes, I don't know that I'd had Ukrainian food like in a restaurant before, I mean aside from you cooking it. And it was it was quite good.

 K            Well, and it's funny because when we go to Chicago, my son, my 10 year old usually goes, well, can we go back to that Ukrainian place? Cause it was so good. Like he likes going there too. But yeah, but I always try, you know, I try not to cause yeah, I miss my home and I want to eat the food even though I can cook it. But you know, why, if you can just have somebody else do it for you. But I do like trying other food, like the, so that our town we live in, we have a lot of restaurants here.

 We have pretty good variety of different ethnic cuisines and all that, but not all of it. Right. So when we go in a bit to the big city, I always try to find something, some sort of an ethnic cuisine that we don't have here in town. And like, I want to try that. So, yeah. So what's your favorite ethnic cuisine?

 D           Probably coming as no shock to you, I would say Indian is my favorite. 

 K            It is delicious.

 D           Because you know, I love spices. 

 K            Oh, and you know what? I, well, you know that working with students, we always had potlucks. So like here and there, I would always try some Indian cuisine and all that. But actually, that first time you cooked for me and my husband.

 D           Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. Yeah.

 K            That was a long time ago. That's when I actually really started liking Indian food.

 D           Well, you know, and this gets back to the restaurant thing. And I want to go ahead and say this because I think this is especially true for Indian food, but probably for a lot of different cuisines that a lot of restaurants will have a buffet option. And if that is your first experience with whatever that cuisine is, you will probably be disappointed. And I know a lot of people will tell me, oh, I don't like Indian food. Because the only thing they did was go to a buffet and it's just, you know, sometimes it's good, but more often than not, you know, they keep it real bland because they're trying to, you know, make the locals happy, but it just doesn't have the flavor. And when people actually go and try, you know, something straight from the menu, not the buffet, it's like a whole different meal. 

 K            Mm -hmm. Much better. Much better.

 D           Yeah, for sure. So, we are quickly coming up on time. You know, we can talk about food forever, but have you ever had a meal at a restaurant that was so memorable that you just, you think about it maybe even years later?

 K            Oh gosh. Yeah. Oh, I wouldn't say, you know, not like one meal or a dish or something, but the experience I had once that includes food and all that. I don't remember which city we were in, but we went to a tapas restaurant and it's a Spanish cuisine, right? 

 D           Oh, that's awesome. I love it.

 K            So tapas is you just get like small dishes of all these different, I would say appetizers kind of, but you get a variety of them. So you get to try a little bit of everything. And it was funny because I absolutely loved it. And I would love to go back to a tapas restaurant or tapas bar. My husband, unfortunately, he liked the food, but he walked out and he said, “I am starving.”

 D           I knew he was going to say that. You have to order enough though. But you know what? I know what you mean. I love that kind of food because I like a little bite of this, a little bite of that. That's why in theory a buffet is great, but unfortunately the execution is not always the best.

 K            It's the quality. Yeah, it's quality is not always the best. But I agree. I like well.. and it's a funny thing because we went when we usually go to breakfast, right? Right. So we always order, like we ordered two dishes, you order one and I order one. But we always order a sweet one and the savory one. And then ask the waiter to bring us two little plates so we can share. Because we want to try each other's food, but without actually cutting off a piece of your waffle. Yeah. So I agree with that. Like trying a little bit of everything is ideal. 

 D           Yeah, absolutely.

 K            Yeah. Do you have a dish in mind that you've had one day and you're like, oh my gosh, I would love to have that?

 D           I do and it's so weird. Like if I tell you this, you're gonna be like, that sounds crazy. That doesn't even make any sense. But probably like six years ago, seven years ago, who knows? We went to Atlanta - Atlanta, Georgia to visit my husband's friend and he worked downtown. So we met him there at the office and we went to grab lunch downtown. And he took us to some place that he goes to frequently. And it was this Mediterranean kind of place where they had falafel and hummus. And you know, it's pretty simple stuff. I've had lots of falafel, lots of hummus in my life. But this was incredible. It was so good. And I wasn't that impressed when I went in there, because it's just like, you know, kind of like a little bar, kind of thing, like a subway where you're like, oh, I'll take this and that. And they put it together for you and a wrap. And I was like, oh, okay, whatever. And I sat down and I started digging into this wrap. And oh my gosh, it was the best falafel sandwich I'd ever eaten. And the chef was passing by even… And I think he passed by and I stopped over [where he was] and I said, excuse me, I just have to tell you, this is the most fantastic falafel I've ever had. And it was, and even now, you know, we went to drive to North Carolina this last weekend and driving through, you have to drive through Atlanta. And I thought about that freaking sandwich.

 K            Oh! You should have stopped!

 D           Yeah. So, and you know, I decided…I said I'm gonna talk about this place so much. I should at least give it a shout out, right? It's in Atlanta and it's called Aviva by Kameel. So if you're ever in Atlanta, go check them out and try that falafel wrap. It was amazing.

 K            Oh, that sounds delicious.

 D           Yeah, okay one last question because we're coming up on time and I’ve got a couple of trivia questions for this as well. But first, are there any dishes you like to order out because it's too much work to make at home?

 K            You know what, Japanese food, I would say. So like sushi, I like sushi, I really do. And it's a pain in the neck to make it at home and I feel like I'm never gonna succeed in that. But also tempura fried vegetables. 

 D           Oh yeah.

 K            Oh, I think I could eat them every single day. So.

 D           Yeah, it's not like our kind of, you know, fried vegetables that we have. It's like deep fried in this heavy batter. It's really light and it's good. Yeah.

 K            Oh, oh yes, very light and just delicious. So what about you?

D           I would probably say go back to the Indian food again. It's not that I can't make it because I certainly can and my husband can make it too. But this also goes back to wanting to try lots of little different things. So you go with a group of people, everybody orders something, you kind of pass the stuff around and you get lots more dishes to try. So I do like to do that.

K            Yeah. Sounds good.

D           Yeah. All right. Last question. Is there anything you would never order in a restaurant because you know you make it better?

K            Umm…I don't think so.

D           That’s surprising because you make really good food, 

K            Thank you.

D           so I would think that there's got to be something that you're like, “nah, mine's better.”

K            I guess it depends on the restaurant because I try, um, you know, like there's a lot of times I try to recreate things at home. Like if I try something at the restaurant, like you were talking about Mediterranean food, we were going to this Mediterranean place where you can kind of build your own bowl or salad or, you know, like you go through and then you pick your things. And I loved it.

D           Oh, I know what this place is, I think.

K            Yeah, so I loved it so much that I remember one weekend, it was last summer, actually, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna make all the fixings and all these things. And I'm gonna make whatever the shawarma chicken that goes with it and couscous and rice and all that. And we're going to have our own Mediterranean dinner. It actually was good. It was good. It was good. I feel like I got I have gotten really good at fixing Mexican food.

D

Oh, good for you.

K

Yeah, I was like, oh, but I would say, you know, Ukrainian food, I would make it better than the restaurant. But I can't say that because the restaurants we went to in Chicago have really good Ukrainian food.

D           Yeah. And again, it's probably a lot of that stuff that takes a long time to make. So, and I don't know about you, but if I have to spend too many hours in the kitchen working to make it, by the time I sit down to eat it, I've lost all taste for it. 

K            Yes.

D           So sometimes those are the things that are good to get in a restaurant.

K            Yeah, I mean to to kind of give you another example. I make Easter bread for Ukrainian Easter every year, but I only make it once a year. You know why? Because it takes seven hours to make that bread.

D           seven - come on, no no no. It's too darn long. 

K            Well, granted, most of it is just waiting for it to rise. But still, like your whole day is tied up because you're making the bread. So once a year, that's all.

D           Okay, yeah that makes sense. Yeah.  So, oh my goodness, we are coming up on time. So I'm not even going to finish these questions, unfortunately, but we can revisit.

K            I know. I think we need part two.

D           Okay. I like it.

K            This will be restaurants part one. Next one will be restaurants part two.

D           Fabulous. I love it. Okay, so let's end this with a couple more pieces of trivia. What do you think is the busiest day of the year for restaurants?

K            Ooh, Friday night.

D           Oh, no, I'm sorry, I mean of the year. 

K            Oh, of the year for restaurants?

D           Yeah, sorry, I wasn't clear on that.

K            Hold on, hold on, hold on. New Year's?

D           Hint, it's coming up soon. I mean, not for the release date of this, whenever it will be, but it's of you and I talking now. It's coming up soon.

K            It's coming up soon. Is that 4th of July?

D           Sooner than that.

K            Memorial Day?

D           Mother’s Day! 

K            Mother’s Day!   I should know better than that.

D           Yeah! Like three days from now.

K            Oh, it makes sense – Mother’s Day brunch everywhere -  that's right, that's right nobody wants mothers to cook I mean

D           No, absolutely not. Yeah. All right. Next question. The most popular ethnic foods, cuisines in the U.S., the top three, what do you think they are? And let's see if you can get the order right. Top three. 

K            Italian

D           Yep. Number two?

K            Mexican

D           Yes!

K            And Chinese

D           You got it! Absolutely.

K            I mean, everybody loves pizza. 

D           Right? I mean, you can't go wrong with pizza.

K            No, you can't. No, you can't.

D           And my last piece of trivia, which I thought was kind of crazy, and who knows since then what we have, but 2016 was the first year that in the United States, people spent more on dining out than they did cooking at home.

K            Why 2016?

D           I don't know. I mean, and I'm thinking, you know, it's probably even worse now because eating out is so expensive now, you know, since COVID and everything, but I don't really see a big slowdown in people going out to eat. 

K            Right, and I feel like more restaurants are opening up too.

D           Yeah, so yeah, more money eating out than cooking at home. So yeah, interesting. That tells you something.

K            Interesting.

D           Well, okay, it's been fun. I enjoyed this conversation. I don't know about you.

K            Me too me too like I said I think we need to make another part because we didn't cover everything - so much more to it.

D           Yeah, absolutely not. But until then, here's to good coffee, good vibes, and great conversations. Cheers.

K            Cheers.

 

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